Interview with Mephisto Team - Best New Autoflower 2025

Silvia: So good afternoon, boys, Tim and Mitch, Mephisto Genetics, hi. 

Tim: Hi, Silvia. 

Silvia: Winners with winning genetics every time that we meet in the Autoflower World Cup, right? 

Tim: Awesome. 

Silvia: Thanks a lot for accepting our invitation today for the interview. Happy to have you. 

Mitch: Yeah, happy to be here. 

Silvia: Welcome. First of all, congratulations on your two winnings with the participants that had your genetics. I'm not going to dive into a lot of what, when, who, what won because I want to direct our community to our Discord channel where we have all the scorecards and we have all the results. So you should join us on Discord where we are going to also publish the exclusive interview with you. 

Mitch: Okay. Come see our Autoflower World Cup on Discord. 

Silvia: Okay, cool.

Mitch: Yeah, we'll promote you too, don’t worry. 

Silvia: Sorry? 

Mitch: We'll promote you too, as best as we can. 

Silvia: Perfect. Thank you. Okay, so I'm going to start with the history, right? As I understand, this is a long run between the two of you. So starting back in the days in 2012, right? 

Mitch: Yeah.

Silvia: I wanted to know what challenges you faced at that time? How did your friendship mark this road to what Mephisto Genetics is now in the day? Yeah, basically what is the history of Mephisto through your eyes? 

Mitch: Yeah, well, it's like 13 years about at this point that marks since we came to Spain together. Obviously, yeah, that was a pretty big challenge to move to a new country, not knowing the language, being dropped in the middle of a forest was very different from coming from the city, yeah, having the internet. Everything that you take for granted, we kind of didn't have, so that was quite some obstacles to get over in the beginning, but we've been friends for like, now, I mean, it must be like 20 years or so. So yeah, together we made things work. We forged through.

Silvia: But you had this vision, so you boys came here because you wanted to start Mephisto, because it's 20 years of friendship and it's less of -- Wow, first of all, congratulations and to see you that connected. 

Mitch: Yeah, I mean, not all normal friendships last that long, right? 

Silvia: No. 

Tim: No, but yeah, we've done well. We were both growing in England, but we knew that that couldn't last and Mitch had the idea of autos, I was growing photos, he was doing autos. This was way before, this is when ruderalis still had its bad reputation, let's say, for tastes and flavor. So that was the whole spark because I had got some really nice photoperiods upstairs and he was growing it, but the quickness, the speed, the way the plant looks, the yield was incredible. But we knew that the plant itself needed a little bit more oomph in the flavor department. It was a bit lacking. So that's kind of when we had the concept of, how do we make these better? And then Mitch deep dived into the—

Mitch: Yeah. Well, I would say I was like quite an early adopter of autos. So let's say we probably started growing autos like almost 20 years ago. They might have gained a lot of traction and popularity in the last few years, but like—

Silvia: You were there first. 

Mitch: We've been dabbling with -- I mean, we're not the originators by no means, but I think early adopters would be a good term for it. We were in quite early on and then, yeah. 

Tim: Saw the potential and realized that this was fun to work with because it was quite a niche, so it was quite fun to see your work evolve very quickly. So that was nice as well. And then we thought, well, this is so good, this is such a great idea, we have to start doing this and think about it professionally. In England, it was just a non-starter. We wouldn't have the space, the lights, the law on our side. 

Silvia: I mean, the law first of all.

Tim: That's the main thing. I think we’re both nice decent people, but I don't think we would survive in prison very long. 

Mitch: No, we're growers, we like being in the grow room. 

Silvia: Or you would have started like a prison break autoflower journey or something. 

Tim: That would be a cool thing, but no.

Silvia: that time.

Tim: I've come to bust him out. I've got no tattoos so if it goes that way one day, but hopefully not.

Mitch: Then yeah, we came to Spain and we got a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere and we set up as many lights as we possibly could. Man, that house was just ganja central. It was incredible. It was like every dream come true for a grower to sort of not worry about the police anymore, concentrate on the work that you're doing because we knew that--

Silvia: I mean, people don't want to talk about it really. Yeah.

Tim: I mean, just to circle back to your main question, probably the main obstacles were actually just surviving in Spain, like as two British people with no language skills or have to mime for things. We know a few words and yeah, just try and get by, but also over these years, it's been like an evolution of the company, but also our living standards and everything else like. 

Silvia: Now you’re a little bit fat. 

Tim: Yeah, we were very skinny, now we got fatter, yeah, we're doing well, but also at one point we were like one person, we shared a house, we shared work, we shared well our money, we shared everything. 

Mitch: That's what you have to do when your business is so split down, I mean, that could be the end of a friendship. Going back to the early days, you had those crappy croissants from deer, where there was eight in a pack, but if you ate more than your fair share-

Silvia: Yes, you're right. 

Tim: I mean, yeah, down to the food in the cupboards, like we shared everything. Now, eventually we've separated to become two individual people again and his wife appreciates that. 

Silvia: How did you overcome the separation? Were you sad?

Tim: I don't think there was separation anxiety at that point. I think we're like, “I'm done with you,” but not in a serious way. 

Silvia: Did you create any genetics from the separation? Do you have any genetics that reminds you of your separation maybe? 

Mitch: Oh, no. We still work together at the farm. It’s just our sleeping arrangements. 

Silvia: Oh, okay.

Tim: There was no custody battles over genetics or anything. That part of our life is still shared, but yeah, just the more personal things, but that's fine. 

Silvia: That's a nice story. And also, it answers to my question because you said, “We landed in the middle of the forest,” and my imagination was running wild and I was like, “What happened? How did you arrive there?”

Tim: I mean, we should probably write a book one day about some of the small anecdotes.

Mitch: I mean, I think there's still some of your diary writings on old AFN pages of the early days of some of stories. 

Tim: Because we had no internet, what I had to do is write everything offline and then we would come into the city where we had internet and be like, “Ooh, internet, I need to write this and then post this and then wait to get the feedback.” 

Silvia: I'm going to write notes about it.

Tim: Okay. Yeah, I'll send the link through or something. Yeah, but you can see it was like that for a few months and then eventually we managed to figure out to get satellite internet. And then once I was able to like catch up and do things on a more like day-to-day basis, then that story element of it kind of stopped, but normal life like resumed a little bit. 

Silvia: Yeah. That's an interesting story. 

Tim: It was hard. Like I'm not going to lie it was hard and it was a bit of a crazy part of both of our lives. 

Mitch: Running an internet-based company with no internet it seems bonkers. 

Silvia: Yeah, at that point, but that's what you were drilling, I don't know, in a moment when first of all, in here, in this area, as you said, it wasn't that popular. And then to like push borders without internet and stuff, that's amazing. And also like—

Tim: Well, I mean, that's the thing, because we did a few years or like multiple years’ work before we actually launched the company, so that part was kind of fine to have limited internet access, but then when we started to sell and actually launch, yeah, we needed internet like everyone else, like the rest of the world. 

Silvia: Yeah, you need it. There was a question at one point in my mind, and now that you mentioned this go from project to the market, how was this transition? Was it very difficult to go on the markets from the small, let's say company that you have? How was the role to like maintain the quality to be feasible to be presented in the market? Did you have much trial and error or it was just smooth? 

Mitch: Well, when we first started, we were doing everything. We were doing the research and development part. We were doing the feminizing part. We were going through the seeds, packing the seeds, doing everything ourselves, which that can't last. It's only 24 hours in a day. As we grew, we knew that we needed help and we needed to expand, but sometimes expanding can lead to problems down the line with quality control, but I think we've really managed. 

I think that the whole goal of going bigger, we always said we cannot let the product slip in any way. We always still need to have hand in with the product and people need to work for us, not be independent people. We need to be able to have every step of where the product is going with the team that's going with the packing and sending. We need to always be doing weekly meetings and keeping good checks on everything, making sure everybody's doing a good job, but everybody does and we're super pleased. 

Tim: Yeah, we're very fortunate to have a good team. I mean, we still keep up. 

Tim: Yeah. I know big them up big time, but I would say as well, though, we still have our hands in like everything. Like yesterday, I was sorting seeds. Yesterday he was in the grow room. We're still doing things and we're still actively involved so it’s [inaudible – 00:11:15].

Silvia: I think that's what makes a company be healthy, right? 

Tim: Yeah.

Silvia: Because the moment when you lose touch or when you're [inaudible – 00:11:24].

Tim: Yeah. Oh, definitely. I mean, I think it helps us as well because we've done every job that our staff have done. Like we've done it ourselves. We know like what the good things are, what the bad things are, like what can go wrong, what can go right. 

Silvia: Challenges, yeah. 

Tim: Exactly. Yeah, we can still relate to everything and we can still help out everyone where possible. I think it's just some of the more technical things like when it's come to having a proper website and you need a developer, those kinds of things we don't claim to know about. That's a skill set in itself, but anything to do with the product, with the seed, with the plants, with the brand, we're heavily involved in that still. 

Silvia: That's amazing. 

Tim: That's a fun part. Yeah, that's the fun part.

Silvia: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's also a rocky road, definitely and also starting from the point when you guys started, then creating a trustworthy team, right? And someone to be in line with what you both...

Tim: Yeah, we've been very fortunate over the years. Some people have been working for us for like seven years or longer or people that have worked with us, we've also known before they worked for us for like a long time. It feels like a family unit or people that we love, we trust and hopefully they feel the same about us. 

Silvia: They definitely, I'm sure they do. I'm sure they do seeing everything and your results and you as people and as professionals, I'm sure. 

Tim: Well, we just had to learn a lot of things along the way, but we're getting there slowly. 

Silvia: And about learning things around the way, I know, Tim, you're coming from a nursing background, right?

Tim: Yeah, that's what I was doing ever since 18. I always wanted to be a nurse. I did four years as a general, but unfortunately your back was broken by four years. So then I moved into mental health and I moved into learning disabilities, but it was when I was in mental health that I started to see cannabis being used more of a medical sense. I mean, I was not a huge big-time smoker. You smoke and you don't really think about the medical uses of it until it's sort of presented to you. 

Silvia: Until you have to present it to the police. 

Tim: Yeah. Exactly. I thoroughly enjoyed it, but your work evolves, you evolve as a person. The idea for this came up and I was hitting 30 and it's like, well, you're not tied down yet. One last big adventure. Let's go to Spain and have an adventure. You never know. I mean, realistically, I thought we had a year and we'll be back with our tails in between our legs with a fun story to tell, but it didn't and we're still here today. I really thoroughly enjoyed my time nursing. I could go on about it for hours, but yeah.

Mitch: I don’t know. I could not do that like profession. 

Tim: It's a lifestyle. 

Mitch: Yeah.

Tim: You have to really want to do it. 

Silvia: I mean, yeah and it's quite hard. Nursing might be something though also I think it's quite hard, but mental health I think is one of the most difficult jobs. 

Mitch: I mean, he nurses plants now.

Tim: Yep. I do different sort of nursing and I've brought skills from the nursing to the grow room a lot, the general nursing, baron nursing, and infection control is some things you can bring to the grow room. You're not just building grow rooms anymore for one purpose. You're having pollen around. So you kind of have to think about where your plants are going, the journeys that they're taking in the house as you're breeding with them. So you have to have the rooms and the plants already put in place of how you built the grow room tailor-made to what you need, whether it's a facility for just research and development, or a facility for feminizing. They all have to be slightly different and tailored. Bringing that career nursing to the table for that was quite helpful, that stops silly mistakes from happening. 

Silvia: Yeah, because then you're more aware. And even if you're not 100% pro, at least you have an idea and then you can start building up knowledge, right? Yeah. 

Tim: It's all about bringing down your percentages and you can never say, “Oh, this is 100%.” If you bring down your percentages, then you're going to have less problems down the line. 

Mitch: I think as well, like nursing and things like that, it's hands-on. You learn things through experience more than what you could read in a book or something like that. It's actually from getting your hands dirty, doing things like hands-on, that's where—

Tim: Oh, absolutely.

Mitch: …it's invaluable really. 

Tim: Yeah.

Silvia: Yeah, and Mitch, what is your background? Can we dive in a bit? 

Mitch: Yeah. Also, I did something in education.

Silvia: Also how you came with the autoflowers because you arrived to the idea before Tim, right? 

Mitch: Yes, I did a university degree in industrial design. 

Silvia: Okay. Oh.

Mitch: Yeah. I've always been creative and a designer that kind of person, but actually, when I finished university was a really bad time in the economy, so I couldn't actually get a job doing design. So what I ended up doing to survive like growing weed and then as the product kept growing, I was like, I need money, I need to survive, I kind of like this so let's see how it goes. But then through growing weed, I was buying seeds and I was like, “Wow, seeds are quite expensive.” So then I delved into, okay, so I should learn how to make seeds and then I made seeds. And I was like, okay, so what gives value to seeds. You could have one bag of seeds that you might pay like 50 cents a seed for it. You have one bag of seeds where you pay whatever, $20 for three seeds, whatever. It's the work that goes into it. It's the brand that you can attach to it and it was just fun. 

And just same thing, as soon as I started growing autoflowers, it was in a very small thing. I was like, wow, this is awesome. This is so fast. This is incredible. Same rhetoric of like, yeah, let's just make them better. Let's go for it. I guess just to circle back, like my degree, I did learn elements of like branding and again, in the beginning, I did all the graphics and everything from Mephisto, that's why they look kind of bad. 

Silvia: I just wanted to say that I like the simplicity of your logo, but [inaudible – 00:18:06] pass my compliment. 

Mitch: Yeah, that simple style was what I could do by myself. I mean, this is before ChatGPT could draw yourself. I actually had a lot of time. I was at the farm. I was just like, okay, let's design some stuff and it mirrored some of the styles of what we liked and it felt right. I mean, that's all I can say, it just kind of felt right at the time. 

Silvia: Definitely was. I mean, you have no doubt of it at this point [inaudible – 00:18:33].

Mitch: I mean, no, at the time as well, I was like, oh man, I've just done this degree. It's worth nothing. It's useless. But in a strange way, I came back to actually using a lot of things that I'd learned just for this instead. 

Silvia: Yeah. Life is long. You never know when experiences—

Mitch: Yeah, it's a strange odd journey. Things might not make sense at the time, then years down the line, it's like, oh shit, I was [inaudible – 00:18:57].

Silvia: This can be put together, yeah. I want to ask you about, let's shift from the logo and go to the new and how is related Mephisto with the Trailer Park Boys and how did you create a community around it? How did this cultural element help you maybe--? 

Mitch: Well, it's not just the Trailer Park Boys, there's a lot. We enjoy TV and films. 

Silvia: You’re English.

Mitch: We know a lot of creators love TV and films and the things that we enjoy, we kind of like to put things within to the company, whether names or there's little Easter eggs of language used and there's quite a lot from Southport, Dave Chappelle to the Trailer Park Boys. 

Tim: Just as stoners, we just enjoy stoner kind of comedy and yeah, just took some references from the things we loved. 

Mitch: And I feel like it's putting a bit of yourself into your company of just things that you like. 

Silvia: Definitely. 

Tim: Well, I think also it was a way of like differentiating us as well. Like in the beginning, he probably cursed me, he’s like, “Why are we using this really stupid long name that no one understands? For example, it's a bubble gum auto, why don't we just call it bubble gum?” I mean, I think it does make us stand out a bit that people are like, “What the hell's this? I can't pronounce it, but it sounds interesting.”

Mitch: That smeller’s skunk.

Tim: Like inadvertently might have been good marketing, but actually it could have been bad marketing at the time, but it worked eventually.

Mitch: Yeah, like Tim said, it's just been like little elements of stuff that we find funny and other, we feel our customers are kind of probably on a similar level to us. So for those that get it, I think they really enjoy it. Yeah. 

Silvia: I mean, I suppose the community should get it, right, because Stoner cartoons and movies, I suppose everyone should be in—

Tim: Hand in hand.

Silvia: …dialed in maybe. For example, since you started Mephisto, I suppose you were trying a lot of breeding methods and stuff. I want to know if you remained loyal to any of the breeding steps or processes or tricks, let's say. And also coming to the present, also to the future, what are some new techniques that you're using or that you are happy with that maybe the community should know?

Mitch: Okay. I mean, I think basically not much has changed. The methodology we use to create our autos since the beginning has been the same. It's taking the longer process of breeding through multiple generations, so normally now it's like the fifth F5 that we release things to market and yeah, just not taking shortcuts. 

Even though now our breeding setup has changed because like Tim said before, we used to do everything all ourselves, the whole process in one place here, but as our teams expanded, now we're able to share those genetics or share some of the process between us. So now we've been doing like say the initial cross to a photoperiod and then maybe doing the F1 run to make F2s. We just have more flexibility now. So we could, for example, we have someone doing some breeding development work for us in Canada or likewise the US and between us all we can like manage the load and also—

Tim: But it's also meant that our rooms can kind of evolve so our one house can be really set up for really great research and development. We don't have to then have a big two room setup for making the feminized seeds that will be -- Our guy in California, we've been over to there and we say, “We want the rooms to look like this.” He works for us and only us. So then we've tailored everything to be the farm, but much larger and it really means that we can do much more numbers and be a lot more selective. The only change that we've made is just growing in size and being able to do more numbers. There's no magic wand, plug in with me to help you. Really it's experience and your nose and the [inaudible – 00:23:31].

Silvia: Yeah, and your taste. Speaking of [inaudible – 00:23:35] you're basically quite present in the world, right? Do you have any favorite lands, let's say in terms of results or a climate?

Mitch: For growing or just to be?

Silvia: Sorry? No, for growing. 

Mitch: Okay.

Silvia: Because if you're [inaudible – 00:23:56].

Tim: Everything that we do for the breeding, the seeds is all done inside. You can't do it outside. There's just too many variables. So everything has to be done inside. 

Mitch: In a controlled environment.

Tim: Quite honestly, nearly all the customers that we have now are more than likely indoor growers and then if they have a nice climate for summer, their extra seeds, they'll be throwing outside. 

Mitch: Southern California, all the very sunny, kind of not too humid, nice places, yeah, you can grow pretty much anything at that point. 

Tim: But realistically with autoflowers, because you've got such a shortened down to your season, you can really pick and tailor the time that you're going to put your plants outside to flower with a photoperiod. You're labeled to the light change for it to start to flower, but you can pick the middle of summer you might start plants second week of May, start them for them to be out in July. And then you're edging your bets too because you know hopefully July and August are going to be a lot hotter. 

Mitch: Yeah. I mean, here, I remember in Spain we must have started some things in like maybe mid-January and then they were just extras and we just put them out on the balcony. Then like yeah end of March or mid-March there was something smokable and like nice so.

Tim: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, in terms of the planet, it's a bit hard at the minute. What might happen this year might not happen the next year. If you're going to grow outside, I would advise going getting a farmer's almanac, which will tell you what was happening for the past five years. And then you can judge yourself, but it's all a hit and miss. You never know until—

Silvia: Until you know, or until you lose the plant, but until you grow the plant, I mean--

Mitch: Yeah. It's trial and error to a degree. We've primarily always been indoor growers and since being here, yeah, we have tried multiple years and outdoor is very hard, I would say in general. Like every year there's a new problem. You have one problem one year, then you're like, okay, next year I can solve that problem. You solve that problem and there's a new problem. So it's an adventurous way to do it and I have a lot of respect for people that grow outdoors and do well with it. It’s not to be underestimated how difficult it can be.

Silvia: Yeah, okay. It's good that we made this because, yeah, I remember I was asking the other day if someone has favorites between indoor and outdoor, and I think the most common answer is indoor also because it's easier to control.

Mitch: It's beautiful to see plants outdoors. Like, it's amazing. Obviously, us coming from a place with not much sunshine, when we came here, we're like, wow, things grow outside. Look what the sun can do. It's amazing.

Tim: Yeah. Mostly indoor. 

Mitch: Okay, and speaking of what you noticed and the farmer’s almanac and stuff, are you guys also into training the community? Do you have an active communication with them? Do they reach out to you maybe and they can talk to you about, hey, this is what happened and stuff?

Mitch: Yeah, we’re always available in terms of people asking us questions, but there's certain things that maybe that we don't personally have the ability to answer because again, it's such a unique thing. Like you can try and get people answers or you could try and diagnose a problem through the internet, but it's not that easy. We have our blog where we post like tutorials. We have a staff member, Jimbo, that's doing very detailed blog posts and also our YouTube. Don’t forget the Mephisto Genetics YouTube, there's tutorials now on how to handle autoflowers, how to trim, how to harvest. 

Silvial: All the information is on Mephisto Genetics basically YouTube and other [inaudible – 00:27:59].

Tim: And loyal fans who like to post their pictures as well, we've got Louis Vitali who does great videos, have all the new [inaudible – 00:28:05].

Mitch: Yeah, [inaudible 00:28:05]. So yeah, there's people doing some very good work with that stuff. I think it's very accessible to people as well. For example, yeah, Jimbo did this video the other day, how to handle autoflowers. It was long content. I think it was almost like a 20-minute video explaining auto in a very like down to earth kind of easy way for people to understand. 

Tim: Yeah, and I’ve got to say, it's fun doing these, having meetings and planning these things for the videos and then seeing it, it does such a good job. And it's not something that we're very good at, editing the videos. It's a full-time job, so yeah, Jimbo's doing a fantastic job of bringing our strains to library. 

Silvia: Big up Jimbo.

Mitch: Big up Jimbo.

Tim: Big up Jimbo.

Mitch: But I would also say, I mean, 2025 is just different. Like things are more accessible now. Back when we started to grow and we needed answers, it was a proper mission to try and uncover the right information. It took hours and hours of reading or you'd have to buy a book and actually sit and read a book. 

Now, like I say, it's like the YouTube university, you can find out anything you want and the information's there. So yeah, we're doing our best and we'd like to put together like -- Eventually we want to have quite a comprehensive, either section on the website or maybe create an autoflower bible, that's something we've talked about, like how best to grow anything to do with the subject of autoflowers. I think we've got it covered in terms of experience and—

Silvia: Nice. So guys, everyone knows you have your community. You can find the boys all over the internet with—

Mitch: Yeah. Well, I mean, we've got several platforms. Again, back in the day, like 10 years ago, you only really had the Autoflower Network, an online forum. I mean, they're still going, but unfortunately we're a bit shy on there these days, but now there's our Reddit, there's Instagram, there's YouTube, there's our website, there's our emails, like marketing. 

Silvia: Yeah, it's a lot of—

Mitch: It’s a lot of ways. Yeah.

Silvia: …gates to -- How do you prioritize what you're going to bring out next to the table? How do you choose the best or your most favorite genetics? How do you choose them? 

Tim: Well, it's quite hard. We do the research on the photoperiods and we start and we check them and we grow them and we smell them. If we don't like them, they don't go through and if we like them, they go on to the next stage. There's plenty that don't go to the finishing points of our five. Some maybe for whatever reasons we just didn't like its vibe. It’s vibe, we weren’t feeling it so it got taken out of the catalog. 

The problem is there's so much hype, that you get the hype strangers think, “Well, this is no different than the one over there.” So the only way you can know if you want to push it forward is to grow it and smoke it. 

Silvia: And try it. Yeah, right?

Mitch: Yeah, a lot of testing, like say the research and development thing, we might start say like 25 different strains and then from those we might cross twice to each one and then we've got like a pool of 50% potential crosses. But then we might just highlight like five from 50 that we want to try and explore further down the line. 

Growing and breeding in general, it's just a numbers game. Like you need the numbers on your side to find the best that's yet to weed it out

Tim: Yeah. You can never get one plant and go, “Oh, this is going to be,” because by the time you get a year later, that's old news because that's the problem with us doing the autoflowers. If you've got something that's brand-new photoperiod, it will still take us over a year to create an autoflower. And by that time the buzz around the plant

Mitch: Two years and then--

Silvia: It's already forgotten. 

Mitch: You want to test it, it could be three years. Some of our strains, they've taken for one reason or another maybe six years to come out. 

Tim: Yeah. With the pandemic, it was like in between 

Silvia: what took you six years? And were you very happy with the--?

Mitch: It was the old school Mango Haze and the old school Blues. Yeah, that was mostly to do with—

Tim: Interesting kind of really cutting us off 

Mitch: …COVID and we also moved from the original farm to a new place and yeah, there was a lot going on, but also with them being haze like genetics, we worked those another generation or so. Yeah, it just took more trial and error basically to get like a better representation or to do it justice, that's the thing. I know you wanted to talk about that strain.

Silvia: Yeah. I'm actually connecting to it but right now I was thinking, I'm not sure if I'm going to say something wrong. Did you win something Haze last year? 

Mitch: The American Autoflower Cup. 

Tim: Yeah, we took second place for the best. 

Silvia: I remember something with the Haze, yeah, but I don't know where. 

Mitch: Haze for mango.

Tim: Yeah. I got to say, fantastic, I loved it. 

Silvia: Because now the haze and now I wanted to ask about the Mango Runtz. So do you want to share more details about -- No, definitely I want you to share more details about it. 

Mitch: Yeah, we'd love to have more details. 

Tim: Yeah. So the mango runs was cutting from California. So our breeder in California, I mean, being in the mecca and has plenty of friends in the industry and he was lucky enough to get a really good cutting of the Runtz. Then we were like, “Well, let's get that to the Mango Smile.”

Mitch: So yeah, the amalgamation of some of our favorite strains and we're super stoked on how it came out. Obviously, we got the best new strain at the Autoflower World Cup. 

Silvia: Yeah. I can never spell their name. Can you spell it? 

Mitch: Oh, Val and Mae? 

Silvia: Yeah, but we would be the boo. I always [inaudible – 00:34:30].

Mitch: Oh no, I can't pronounce the Instagram handle either. I’m sorry. 

Silvia: When I talk to them, I am like, because I want to name the grower’s right name, I really cannot pronounce it. 

Mitch: I'm not dyslexic, but I look at it and feel like I'm dyslexic. 

Silvia: Yeah. 

Mitch: They did a fantastic job on that. The sample that they grew, to me it looked almost like Californian-like import, but I know it was organically grown in France and just grown with a lot of love. 

Silvia: Huge congratulations. Yeah, you can see that. Also another pair of auto growers where you can actually see the care the passion, the interest, the whatever, the drive. 

Mitch: No, it's like when you meet people like that, actually they give us a boost as well to be like, oh yeah, we should be like really enthusiastic.

Silvia: Definitely.

Mitch: Yeah, so big up Val and Mae too. 

Silvia: Val and Mae, yeah, let's just stick to Val and Mae. 

Mitch: Yeah.

Tim: That was great. The mango shone through the Runtz with that kick of that very nice fuel, but not overpowering. It was delicate. 

Silvia: That's what I wanted to ask you, maybe to describe a bit, Mango Runtz. I don't know, how did it show up in your minds? What happened?

Mitch: Yeah, I mean, it was a process of evolution. Like you say, you can have some components in the beginning and you can have an idea in your head about how it might turn out, but actually the way it turns out can be different, but actually better. I mean, to say it has mango smile in it that grows very big, it's actually more like creme de la creme size is quite compact, but, yeah, the flowers are amazing. You get more yield per plant than if you just looked at it, you might be like, “Oh, it's kind of small,” but when you weigh it up and when you've got the end product, you get a decent amount and it's nice. 

Tim: Yeah, and I'm happy with the way that it's being stabilized. We're getting really nice uniformed plants and that's what I love because it's a bit of a medium sort of 70-centimeter plant. That's my sort of favorite style because I like a kind of sea of green, that's kind of how I like to grow. So yeah, it's just really nice. Just lovely big buds and great smell. Great all arounder. Happy [inaudible – 00:37:04].

Silvia: All happiness and flowers and autoflowers over this one. Very good. And congratulations, Val and Mae again for your second win because they won also another prize about which we're going to talk in just one minute. 

Mitch: And they also got something the year before as well, right?

Silvia: Sorry? 

Mitch: I think they won something the year before too? I can’t remember.

Silvia: Yes. Yeah, I think. I will have to check on the Autoflower World Cup site and also community maybe you can check and help me with the information. 

Mitch: Sorry, I think it says less than a minute.

Silvia: Yeah, that's why I wanted to close. 

Mitch: Should we take like five minutes? 

Tim: Yeah. Let's take five. 

Silvia: Yeah.

Mitch: Take five, we'll have a smoke and then you send me the link and we'll be back on. 

Silvia: Okay, see you soon.

Mitch: All right.

Silvia: So we're back with Tim and Mitch from Mephisto Genetics. Hi again. We just made a recap about their winnings in the past years. So they had two years in a row best seed bank. And we're going to talk a bit about this year's different win by the same couple, Val and Maë, Weedydi Bobbidi boo, with Iced ‘n’ Baked. Congratulations again, guys. And Iced ‘n’ Baked, let's dive into Iced ‘n’ Baked a bit and tell us how it happened.

Tim: So yeah, Gelato 33.

Mitch: 41. Yeah, so it's part of a series of three, and it was the first. So it was Mephisto's wedding. Cross with Gelato 41. Obviously gelatos have become legendary, I would say, in the cannabis community. 

Silvia: Yeah, definitely.

Mitch: So we did need to get a piece of that, really. I mean, also to smoke, obviously, they're very unique flavors and turps. Yeah, that whole sweet, creamy kind of line is right down our alley in terms of what we like.

Tim: But in terms of practices of getting into an autoflow, we take the same. Same level we always do of our breeding practices. And again, it's a an F5 product. And we're stabilized. And it's really nice. And it's close. The bud is close to the gelato that we could get it. I think we had to sacrifice a little bit on the plant size heights, but quite honestly, for the amount of bud structure within the plants, it kind of works out. It's kind of one of those like-- 

Mitch: Very unique. It doesn't put out much foliage. The only thing is it tends to be a little bit sensitive, but also because it's made with Mephisto's wedding, which is like a wedding cake, which also is a little bit sensitive as well. So that trait has gone down. But with any of our autoflowers, we always say grow, start them slow, feed them low and then just increase as you go kind of thing. I didn't mean to rhyme, but yeah, I've made a new 

Silvia: That's what I wanted to say, the creative mind.

Mitch: But no, yeah, beautiful. It's much adored by quite a lot of our customers. And after that, we had the Sunday Thumper, which is another gelato cross. And then we also have one that we've been doing here in Spain, which should be out later this year, if not early next year, which is based on Gelato 33. And that will be called Gelato 33.

Silvia: Gelato 33. I'm going to write it down here so we keep an eye. Keep an eye, guys. I'm going to let that know also so we can announce the community in the first one.

Mitch: But no, yeah, it's been nice to do like it almost as a series, as a trilogy. It's a nice way of working things like to have fairly similar starting ingredients, but then the N3 plants be quite different.

Silvia: And then you can participate in Autoflower 2026 with all three of them and see which one wins.

Tim: That's a good idea.

Mitch: Oh, that's a good idea. We might need to borrow you for some marketing.

Silvia: Yeah, I'm coming, definitely, full pleasure.

Mitch: Definitely. But then, also in the breeding works, we have like, yes, almost we're going to have a trilogy. It's not quite confirmed yet, but of like the OGKB strains as well. I mean, we're just continually adding to the cast. Yeah, I mean, you can't really afford to stop. That's the thing.

Silvia: Did it ever cross your mind to stop or no? It's too early.

Tim: Well, the pandemic stopped us in our tracks. We didn't like that very much.

Mitch: That was like force stopping. But I think from our own. I mean, the breeding part to us is the more fun part. Do you know what I mean? It's the most fun part by a long way these days. You know, by having a business, you have a lot of non-fun things, right? You have to-- 

Silvia: Be the boss to make the numbers.

Mitch: You have to do accounts. You have to tell people what to do. You have to pay people.

Tim: But the grow room is a nice, peaceful, quiet place. That's just the fans.

Mitch: Yeah, that's the sanctuary, if you know what I mean. So the breeding has always been the most fun part. Watching something develop before your own eyes is amazing.

Silvia: Yeah, definitely. Sorry, it just popped into my mind. I wanted to ask about. So before we shift from the winner genetics, what do you think sets the difference between, for example, Iced ‘n’ Baked and Mango Runtz, because it's a difference of Mango Runtz one first place, right? And what we spoke until now, I see Mango Runtz was also your favorite.

Mitch: Well, I think Mango Runtz was the, that got the best new autoflower of 2025. So I don't know what else it was compared against versus, I think it was the [crosstalk 00:05:34]

Silvia: Fast Buds, Zkittlez Auto, I think. Let me check so I don't say anything. But yeah. So based on the autoflowers there were you guys, Mango Runtz, Fast Buds, Zkittlez Auto, and Royal Queen Seeds with Prickly Pear.

Mitch: I mean, I can't really speak of the others because I didn't really look at them, or we didn't get to sample them or anything. But, I think just Mango Runtz in general ticks a lot of people's boxes. 

Tim: It's fresh and delicate, but with a moreish aftertaste that just makes you want to roll another one. 

Mitch: Yeah. I mean, I think it depends how things are judged, but yeah, from visually to tasting it. I think it's just a great like all-rounder. 

Tim: I mean, for our company, we've always gone with the basic of I'm picky, I'm quite a picky guy. So if I like it, others will like it. So I've always gone with that premise. But the difference between the two, the Mango Runtzts is so delicate and has such a lovely fruity flavor. And the Iced 'n' Baked is really packing a punch with its creamy, creamy fuel taste as well. And so, yeah.

Mitch: It's different strokes for different folks, but I think they're both different enough to-- 

Tim: I'd be quite happy with both of them in my weed cabinet, for sure. 

Mitch: Yeah, I think a lot of the feedback we've had. I mean, the Mango Runtz has just been released for the public, like on 420 or two weeks ago, basically. But yeah, from everything Tess has said, from our experiences with it, whereas Iced 'n' Baked has been around for a year or so. Many people have grown it out and many people they love it. But also Iced ‘n’ Baked it crosses really well into other strains as well. Just that's like lashings of frost. It's just, yeah. 

Tim: Yeah, very frosty, just strong. Very strong. It's not for the weak hearted. It's going to put you on the catch for sure.

Silvia: Yeah, I think I'm on the medium hearted now. I came to Barcelona quite weak hearted and then I started developing.

Mitch: Yeah, Barcelona will increase your tolerance for sure.

Silvia: Definitely, definitely. Because sometimes I'm going home and I'm like, wow, it's been such a 

Mitch: Crazy day. Wild ride.

Silvia: Yeah, development. Let's say in terms of how much you smoke, how you feel. 

Mitch: Well, kind of like a 

Silvia: differently now from this point of view from here. Because yeah, we didn't speak about yet about the plant being criminalized or decriminalized, legalized. We were talking before that, for example, in my country, it's absolutely prohibited. Romania is zero, zero, zero, zero, zero tolerance. How do you guys feel about this? First of all, cannabis, then autoflower. So we're going in Europe. We start to see some changes, right?

Mitch: Some progress.

Silvia: Do you actively participate in processes of legalization or do you--?

Mitch: We're kind of just busy.

Tim: Yeah, so it’s confusing quite honestly with the law. We're not lawyers. We don't pretend to try and be. If people want our support for cannabis, we're there with showing our support. But knowing the ins and outs of cannabis law that's above our heads. We'll stick to the law and we'll try and do our best. But the others.

Mitch: I mean, I think it's just a positive, yeah, definitely positive changes. And I think it is going in the right direction, hopefully. I mean, Germany was like a huge surprise to us. Hopefully, if other governments in different countries look at that and--

Tim: Especially Germany being the chair.

Mitch: Yeah, and follow that model. But yes, super liberal. I mean, unfortunately, I think the UK is a long way behind.

Silvia: That's what I wanted to ask. How is it over there? I don't have--

Mitch: I mean, it's like any other country. So many people that smoke and enjoy it. But yeah, you'll be criminalized for it.

Tim: Looking over your shoulder.

Mitch: I mean, there has been some progresses in terms of you can now get like a medicinal prescription for it, which back when we left, that didn't exist. It was only very limited cases where there was like a spray like for Sativex for, I think, certain people have certain like debilitating things.

Tim: Motor neurone disease.

Silvia: What happened? Did you have the tea--

Mitch: I have an alarm set every day for something and yeah, I forgot. Yeah, sorry. No, no danger.

Silvia: Water the plant. Put on the light, or something.

Mitch: I'll just check because no one is.

Silvia: No problem, yeah.

Mitch: All right, cool. We're good.

Mitch: No, but yeah, fingers crossed, obviously. I mean, I think it's a crazy thing to leave someone a criminal record for even just for personal use or whatever. I think that can really fuck up people's lives.

Silvia: Definitely, yeah.

Mitch: You might get caught when you're young for smoking a little bit of a joint, and if that's on your record, but when you're young, you don't know what you're going to be doing in 10 years’ time.

Silvia: You don’t even care. You are like, yeah.

Mitch: No, you're thinking about today, you're not even thinking about tomorrow. So you wouldn't want that to hurt your job prospects or your future travel ambitions. There's so many things that an 18-year-old you doesn't know that a 30-year-old or 25-year-old or whatever does. So that's the sad part to me, to think people's lives are kind of destroyed for nothing, or that people got even in prison for something that. I mean, yeah, if you go into the more murkier side of it, if you're wholesale dealing or whatever, if you're really working in a black market, that's something different.

Silvia: That's a different compromise.

Mitch: Just the fact that, yeah, that cannabis is illegal allows a lot of other illegalities and other bad things to happen around it, which I think if it was out in the open and it's more acceptable, then that would be progress in my eyes. But we'll see. We'll see. And yeah, obviously, if there was something we could do, or something we could sign, or something in the UK where we could support it, then for sure I would.

Silvia: Yeah, let's see how politics evolve at this point worldwide. Because you don't decide for what you sign.

Mitch: I think they seem to have bigger problems in the country right now.

Silvia: Exactly. Yeah, that's why I think it's--

Mitch: It must be quite far down on their agenda of things to sort out. But we can be hopeful and wishful, and see what happens.

Silvia: In your process of creation or development, because I know it was a hot topic also during the Spannabis and the Autoflower World Cup. How do you control, pest control for the autoflowers? How do you?

Tim: Pest control. So, yeah, this is something that ever since coming to Spain, you had to learn. Because in England, it's too cold for pests. And everyone's, oh, I'm a great grower. And then you come here and it's, well, you have pests here. So you learn very quickly of how to spray, how to deal with. The biggest thing to stop it is have a clean environment. After you finish, bleach down the walls, scrub down your equipment, clean down your pots. If you are going to redo your soil, you might have to make amendments into your soil, if that's what you do, if you're doing organics. Really, we just buy new soil every time because that's a big thing. You're going to get an infestation in the soil. And when you reuse the soil, up it all comes and you're having to spray, spray, spray. Realistically, you don't want to be spraying at all. Clean environment, fresh soil is the best way, realistically, if you know you're going to have pests at certain times of year.

So in the very hot summer months here, you're more than likely going to get spider mites. In winter, when they're not really there and they don't like wet conditions, they like a dry condition. In the winter, you're probably going to get more just general thrips and mildew. And if you're going to grow outside, you might have to think about those pretty little butterflies that land on your plants. Caterpillars, little green caterpillars that burrow their way up. And you don't see them until you're chopping and going, oh my God, it's all full of mold because caterpillars have worked their way up. But yeah, so realistically, clean, clean, clean, clean environment. That's what you need. And if you are going to spray, try not to do it very early on when before buds are forming. Once you've got buds formed and you've got a big infestation, just chop them. 

Mitch: But you're not going to have a good time.

Tim: No. You're going to spray them. And then you're going to chop them. And then you're smoking. And you're going to go, oh, I can taste that. So just don't spray when you've got buds as best you can. And if you can get away, just don't do it.

Mitch: I mean, prevention is better than the cure in that case, I would say.

Tim: But you know, you have to look early. Look for your sort of bite marks on the leaves early. If you can prevent a teeny tiny bite mark, you can turn it over, it's probably going to be a spider mite. Start spraying underneath the leaves.

Mitch: Yeah, the key is just to be like, you'll always have problems in life if you're lazy, right? If you're a lazy grower, you'll have problems. If you're proactive about things, and you're looking at your plants once, twice, five times a day, then you're less likely to suffer from that.

Tim: You know, take your plants out of your tent, clean your tent environment and put them back in, rotate everything is the best way.

Silvia: Very, very good advice. Thank you. Good. Hope everyone wrote this down.

Mitch: Clean, clean, clean. Yeah, clean like 50 times. 

Tim: That's all it is.

Silvia: And actually, as you say, you have to be proactive and to actually care about the plant, I think it's with every other project or even with everything.

Mitch: Yeah, I mean, we can do our best with seeds, but they're not magic beans at the end of the day. You can't just set it and forget it.

Silvia: Did you have situations like this when someone reached out to you? Yeah, it didn't work. What did you do? I just put it there, planted it and it didn't happen.

Mitch: We get complaints, but, yeah. 

Silvia: I mean, it's natural.

Tim: It's hard to diagnose over the internet. You know, you kind of need to be there. 

Mitch: But it's experience. Yeah, it's just experience. 

Silvia: Speaking of your genetics-- sorry? 

Mitch: So I was just going to say now, we've learned that it's kind of, if your only option is to look online and ask either email us, but sometimes it's better to ask in the community, ask on Reddit because it's okay for us to look at them. Actually, you might have, if it's on Reddit, there might be 500 people that are going to look at it and they might be more local to where you live. They might be able to give you a better idea, that kind of thing.

Silvia: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That maybe definitely through an online community, you can reach the local people.

Mitch: Exactly. I mean, I think the community is such a valuable resource. So it's almost silly not to use it. Don't just take our experience, take the benefit of all your fellow growers experience at the same time.

Silvia: And also this to grow friends. We were talking the other day when I interviewed Daga. He said that when he first started autoflowers, his fans, majority of the fans were South African. And right now he says he has a huge community of virtual friends from South Africa. He didn't get there yet, but he was like, “Yeah, man, I want to meet you guys in person. I have so many people whom I speak from there.” So internet can definitely help in this. And yeah, online communities as long as it's not Instagram.

Mitch: Yeah. I mean, that's it. It can bring people together from all over the world, really. So we've got the same common love for autoflowers and for growing. So, yeah.

Silvia: Do you have any, which is for one in one. What's your favorite strain? Maybe in the whole Mephisto history. 

Tim: Oh, that's a lot of strain.

Silvia: This one wasn't planned. I'm sorry. It’s very difficult.

Mitch: No, it’s fine.

Tim: Well, for me, the Livers was because that's what I grew up smoking. That was what was around our neighborhood. So that was like take the cutting from our neighborhood. And that was one of the original things. If we can make this the Livers, we know this is working. And so I was really happy when it was perfect one to one for me.

Mitch: For me, I think, again, it's probably a nostalgic thing, probably our Hubbabubbasmelloscope. That's basically like bubble gum. Because I was recounting to Tim earlier, when I went to Amsterdam on my own for the first time, I was 16. Yeah, probably far too young. And my mother was far too trusting.

Silvia: I don't know what to say, because you keep winning stuff. I just told you guys, I think your path was right. How it was meant to be. I mean, that's why you're here.

Mitch: But yeah, so bubblegum. Yeah, it was the first coffee shop that I went to in Amsterdam and smoke bubblegum. And it was obviously a huge revelation when you come from England where you could just get weed or yes, there's our menu. And it's like, oh, this is bubblegum. This is white widow. This is whatever. So, yeah, that one probably. That's got a special place in my heart.

Tim: But there's still quite a few that I mean, breeding wise, like the kind of cheese. So that was from Jaime. That was from resin seeds that was--

Mitch: Here in Barcelona. 

Tim: Yeah, here in Barcelona. So that was the kind of tonic that we got from him. And since that was our first CBD sort of trial. And wow, that was so hard to every generation, a lot of testing. And I think that one actually went six to almost seven generations to get it right, to get that 50-50 right. And not only did we get the 50-50 right, but we kept the plant profile and flavor profile. And so that's our pinnacle of our breeding for me anyway. I don't think people quite realize just how difficult that one was for sure. But then you've got the new ones, like Meth Wedding and the Mango Runtz that thoroughly enjoying smoking as well. The thing is, with genetics is, I like all of them. It's so hard. And when I've had a week, I'm ready to--

Silvia: Find the job that you and you will never have to work again in your life. So basically, you guys are having the business that you love. Doing what you love and growing what you love.

Mitch: We're kids in a candy store, kids in our own self-built candy store. 

Silvia: Definitely. So I think you succeeded for me. I think it's a very successful story for both of you. And also the cherry on top would be your very long lasting friendship. And I see you guys very, really, very connected and friends. And I think you deserve it. Because as we were talking earlier, it's quite difficult to maintain a friendship when money is involved, new plans, moving out of the country, moving out in the middle of the forest, I'm sure a lot of difficulties.

Mitch: I think nine times out of ten, something like that would have failed. But yeah, for whatever reason, it didn't.

Tim: I think many times at the farm it was a bumpy road to, a literal bumpy road to get to the path, got to the gate. You know, we were broke and we didn't know. What are we doing here? We've got no money. We're still doing this. We're not selling anything. What are we doing? I don't want to pick you up, and come on we can do this. And then another time it'd be the opposite way around. And come on, we can do this. Let's, you know. So for us, that friendship has helped keep us going.

Mitch: Well, I think we’re lucky that we didn't feel that same way at the same time.

Silvia: Definitely, because you were yin and yang. And that's why good friends or family depends. Someone can have a good friend. Someone can have a family or wife, husband, a brother. I don't know. But it's it always matters to have someone to push you when you feel you're falling down and stuff.

Mitch: And I think we just had the same common goal as well. So we had the same idea. We knew where we wanted to get to. We didn't know exactly how we were going to get there. But yeah, we didn't really, at no point did we go off that idea or away from that path. It was just, yeah.

Tim: And it's good to keep each other's ego in check as well. 

Silvia: Yeah, exactly. But I will.

Mitch: Use that.

Silvia: I'm going to close with a question. I hope I didn't forget it. Okay, one second. So, Tim, you weren't into autoflowers. And Mitch, did he have to convince you? Because I want to make a parallel now, a connection now with people who don't accept yet autoflowers. And how was the way to accepting the autoflowers?

Tim: Well, we're talking 15 years ago. So it's not last week that Selma actually there. But so it was a long time ago. But yes. So, yeah, we started doing some breeding work. But it wasn't until we actually got here that I was totally convinced. And I think it was really was the Livers, though, because I'd been smoking it my entire life. And so when we got that one down, I was, okay. Yeah, this is not just some silly adventure.

Mitch: Yeah, he still took some convincing.

Tim: I still took a bit of convincing. But after that one, I was, yeah, okay, let's put our full. Well, we were doing our full effort. But that compounded what we were doing was right. And let's keep at it. And let's keep going.

Mitch: I think there was a huge difference immediately between the autos that I'd been growing and working in England to then when we did the first batch of new autos in Spain. I think there was a huge leap in quality at that point. And then I thought or maybe between us, we thought, well, if this has just happened in four generations, then now how many more would another 20 down the line?

Tim: Whilst we were at the farm, we actually met a couple of legends, Super Sativa, Seed Club, Biotab's owner, Carol and Kees. So I've got to say super legends. And so hearing these stories about being in Amsterdam in the 80s and working with Neville, that was great. So when we could give them some autoflower weed to try, they were impressed getting that feedback from such a legend. That kind of cements what you're doing is right. So those tears at the gate were worth it, you know. And then they trusted us with one of his strains from the 80s, the old school Hayes. You know, he's getting out of bag his season, and says “1980.” I was like, “It's before I was born.”

Mitch: I mean, that was special, really, just to have someone that's kept it for so long.

Tim: Yeah. And then have that entrusted with us to create it into an autoflower as well. So that was a long one that we really, it's not for the public. It was for Carol. If we got the okay from Carol, we were doing good. So, yeah, that was--

Mitch: Well, I think also a big test of what to do was to just give someone some but not tell them it was also a flower or anything. And they notice it with a bit, oh, yeah, that was really nice that you gave me.

Tim: And then say so.

Silvia: I think that's the best way. Because if you put people facing maybe the actual truth, they would be like, yeah, just don't give me don't try to convince me. Don't. Stuff like that. 

Mitch: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I had the same thing. I was in Thailand the other year and there was some street seller or he had a little club and I was talking to him about autoflowers. And as soon as he heard the word autoflower, he was, “Oh, no, it's bad. You don't want to be doing that. You don't want to be using that. And whatever.” So it still obviously does have a stigma among certain people.

Tim: But it's changed so much.

Mitch: But then think about not that long ago, there was a huge stigma about feminized seeds. So that was the thing before autos on the forums and whatever, people like, oh, no, it's feminized. It's a seed. It's against nature. It's bad, blah, blah, blah. Only the best things come from regular seeds. And now what do you 99% of 5% percent of people sell feminized seeds.

Silvia: I think it's just a question of evolution and people accepting the fact that technology and knowledge are expanding. And every environment. Yeah.

Mitch: Yeah, just time and experience.

Silvia: And while you have the opportunity or again, the knowledge, the time or the curiosity, why not?

Mitch: I think it’s fair enough.

Silvia: Not everyone has to do it.

Mitch: I think if people just keep an open mind. I mean, as we tried to do about everything in life. If you're not closed off to something and you're open to it, then you might be you might surprise yourself or you might be surprised.

Silvia: And you guys are a very good example. Yeah, yeah. I really hope, and I'm sure that our community will have a lot to learn from you, and that they will enjoy this interview as much as I did.

Mitch: Awesome. We've entertained you for a little while.

Silvia: Yeah. Thank you. It was really nice. I hope we're going to meet in Barcelona.

Mitch: Yes, that is nice.

Tim: Absolutely, 2026, let's do it.

Mitch: Anytime you want to go for a wine, let us know.

Silvia: Yeah. And I hope you're going to enjoy your Labor Day. So community today we're on Labor Day. We're going to go enjoy it now.

Tim: Well, the plants don't care. I'm off up the feed [crosstalk 00:28:50].

Silvia: Right. Okay, so everyone [crosstalk 00:28:53]. Great. It’s really nice to talk to you again. You're amazing people, more amazing, even more amazing than I thought you were. 

Mitch: Stop charming us. Anyway, thank you so much. Thank you for having us. We're able to talk to you anytime. 

Silvia: Okay, thank you. And enjoy the day.

Mitch: Okay, you too. 

Tim: Bye.